This is the link to JWfacts that has the Never die and May die quotes.
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Lies from the watchtower
by StephaneLaliberte ini am interested in getting a list of lies that the watchtower has said or wrote in the past that could actually be proven to be as such, or, for the very least, deliberately misleading.
1. in a morning worship lecture in 2015, stephen lett said .
"rejecting false stories designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.
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Lies from the watchtower
by StephaneLaliberte ini am interested in getting a list of lies that the watchtower has said or wrote in the past that could actually be proven to be as such, or, for the very least, deliberately misleading.
1. in a morning worship lecture in 2015, stephen lett said .
"rejecting false stories designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.
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I don't have the ability to post the sources but, the phrase "Millions now living will never die" was changed in more modern quotes to say "Millions now living may never die" They did it in text as well as the picture being edited if i remember correctly. The modern version was in the Proclaimers book I think but could be wrong.
There is also the infamous quote in the 1995 awake that changed from having the statement at the bottom saying it was the creators promise that those who saw the events of 1914 - oh man, can't quite remember it. But basically it promised Armageddon before the 20th century. Then later in that year it changed to a wish washy statement. But the way to see it is to look in the bound volume of awake 1995.
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I always love terrible puns.
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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses always answer questions through the bible?
by MarieChii inhi.. recently i've been researching jehovah's witnesses and their beliefs and found out that they don't believe in blood transfusions.
so, i've asked one of my friends who is a jw as to what is the reason for this, and so far, they had always directed me to a bible verse that is in their bible.. clearly, i wasn't getting anywhere and so far, it's pretty much frustrating to even make my friend give me reasonable reason.
when i was getting somewhere, even a smidgen, they would answer with a question.
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If you are "born" into the truth, it's the only thing you've known. If that is the case with your friends, then offering a different glimpse of the world - not the dark and gloomy gray glasses of the WT doctrines - can sometimes help. Positive experiences that go against what the WT likes to pound into the heads of the followers.
I can tell when the witness at work, is thinking of how to say "the world is getting worse and worse" That is what all witnesses are trained to do when "witnessing" The last time she told me that, I said "Well then, go back and live in Roman times" That ended her little speech. Would she like to live in that time period? No. It brings to mind the unknown diseases, wars, and slavery. A few days after me saying that, I heard her trying it out on someone in the office. He counteracted by saying he believed there is far more good in the world than bad. He refused to give into her "the world is terrible and it will only get worse" line. She finally gave up. Will it change her mind? Only if she is willing. The old adage "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink" applies.
And that is what may happen with your friends. If they are happy with what the religion gives them, or they are afraid of losing their place in paradise, all your efforts will fail. But it doesn't hurt to try.
Good friends love their friends unconditionally and respect boundaries and their decisions, and love them anyway. Just sayin'.
Good friends also warn them about dangerous situations and con men. Because they love them.
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What a bunch of Ingrates! Sitting there whispering - looking at their tablets while I'm here, just about ready to spill new light! Just wait till I tell my big brother Jesus..... You're all hot dogs ready to roast I tell you....
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How to "turn the tables" on still-in witness who pry about our status.
by stuckinarut2 inso many of us have had (perhaps well-meaning) jws ask us questions about our inactivity, or lack of attendance at meetings.
they may pry about why..... how is this for a simple, yet straight to the point response?
to a sincere person, it may play on their mind and make them ask more questions.
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I believe others have said that to the JC people. My Conscience won't allow me to ...... (fill in several examples or reasons) They just give a talk saying how it isn't up to the individuals in the congregation to use their conscience. Their conscience could be wrong - better to rely on the organization's conscience.....
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Want A Good Laugh? Check this Out!
by HiddlesWife ini found this video this afternoon: .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zucfh2g5pfk .
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What kind of man was Popeye? It starts with an S.
Heard: Sinner!
Lett: Stupid Sinner!
Rutherford: Spinach eating Sinner!
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Why people fall for scams, what happens after.
by days of future passed ini couldn't figure out where to put this, so...... after seeing the sell off the properties in england, kingdom hall grabs etc.
i thought of the jw's that would passively go along with it.
what will happen when they realize all of their donations, wills, loaning of money and property has simply been part of a scam?.
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I couldn't figure out where to put this, so.....
After seeing the sell off the properties in England, kingdom hall grabs etc. I thought of the JW's that would passively go along with it. I certainly would have. What will happen when they realize all of their donations, wills, loaning of money and property has simply been part of a scam?
I found an article on scammers and how they accomplish fooling people. This is part.
Appeals to trust and authority: people tend to obey authorities so scammers use, and victims fall for, cues that make the offer look like a legitimate one being made by a reliable official institution or established reputable business.
Visceral triggers: scams exploit basic human desires and needs – such as greed, fear, avoidance of physical pain, or the desire to be liked – in order to provoke intuitive reactions and reduce the motivation of people to process the content of the scam message deeply.
Scarcity cues. Scams are often personalised to create the impression that the offer is unique to the recipient.
Induction of behavioural commitment. Scammers ask their potential victims to make small steps of compliance to draw them in, and thereby cause victims to feel committed to continue sending money.
The disproportionate relation between the size of the alleged reward and the cost of trying to obtain it. Scam victims are led to focus on the alleged big prize or reward in comparison to the relatively small amount of money they have to send in order to obtain their windfall.
Lack of emotional control. Compared to non-victims, scam victims report being less able to regulate and resist emotions associated with scam offers. They seem to be unduly open to persuasion, or perhaps unduly undiscriminating about who they allow to persuade them.
And here’s a couple of counter-intuitive kickers:
This pretty much sums up the WT and it's practices. Here is the link to the article.https://mindhacks.com/2009/05/17/the-psychology-of-being-scammed/Scam victims often have better than average background knowledge in the area of the scam content. For example, it seems that people with experience of playing legitimate prize draws and lotteries are more likely to fall for a scam in this area than people with less knowledge and experience in this field. This also applies to those with some knowledge of investments. Such knowledge can increase rather than decrease the risk of becoming a victim.
Scam victims report that they put more cognitive effort into analysing scam content than non-victims. This contradicts the intuitive suggestion that people fall victim to scams because they invest too little cognitive energy in investigating their content, and thus overlook potential information that might betray the scam.
Surprisingly (or not) scammers are looking for those who have already been scammed. All those that were unhappy with their religion, look elsewhere and if they find the WT, they are ripe for being scammed again.
“It’s pretty well known in the fraud world that the best list to get is the list of people who have already been taken.”
That might suggest a genetic vulnerability to sweet talk. But it is more likely that the explanation is entirely psychological and rests on a powerful and irrational desire to believe in a special relationship with another person who wants to help you.
Such a desire in most cases is probably rooted in early disappointment. Having faith in someone who lets you down – when you are particularly needy or inexperienced – leads to one of two likely consequences: you become cynical and mistrustful, generalizing from that experience to others, protecting yourself from being hurt again.
Or else you deny that it has happened. That denial can stem from feeling that the person who disappointed you is too important for you to give up, like an inconsistent parent whom you still need to offer protection. So you soft-pedal your hurt, explain it away, or you refuse to remember it, preserving the offender, while also sparing yourself the embarrassment or shame of having been gullible.
Full article https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hidden-motives/201407/how-people-are-scammed-again-and-again
The most vulnerable to the negative affects of finding out you've been scammed, are the older people. Suicide, depression etc.
I guess this is why Catholics didn't leave the church when the pedophile priests were exposed. Why many JW's will be uncomfortable about the sell offs and hall closures, but deny it all has to do with being taken.
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April 2018 Broadcast - normal weird stuff
by Listener inwe hear a story regarding the life of thomas and emma.
she states that "when thomas and i first learnt that i was pregnant, we were both really shocked" she doesn't explain why they were both really shocked but it seems an odd reaction unless they were using the safest contraception invented or hadn't been told about the bird and the bees.two experiences that touched the heart of gb sanderson were as follows -.
in russia a jw was jailed for 6 months, the jailers did everything to try to undermine his faith, which included violence.
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So the GB are saying
- Go to assemblies so your faith won't be shaken
- If you can't physically be there, watch the videos - it's just like being there.
- If others (like family) are trying to wake you up from being a witness - it's persecution and you can withstand it by watching the videos.
- Don't let us down! Don't listen to anyone that is trying to tell you that the conduct of a few bad apples, represents the religion!
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The secret fears - did you have any?
by days of future passed ini think many jw's have secret fears in common, but don't often voice them.
it's too bad because then they might wonder why?.
for instance, one day at work while i was talking to one of the witness ladies, (on her belief of some bible proof of the last days) she suddenly lowered her voice.
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There is another fear that isn't so hidden. The Demons. If they came up in casual conversation, that wasn't too bad. But if you happened to think of them when you were alone, or at night - weren't you afraid to dwell on it? As if by thinking about them, they would be drawn to you? The Village had a scene where the lurkers of the woods, were coming into the village. Later it was mentioned that they were the ones you shouldn't speak about. This movie has many references to how a religion uses fear to keep the young people bound to "the village" The demons are also used by the WT to scare the bejesus out of people. Funny how Sophia and Caleb haven't run into any...